Comments on: That Hurts (Big) http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Toronto Blue Jays, but were afraid to ask. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:04:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: halejon http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/#comment-4287 halejon Thu, 01 May 2008 04:27:37 +0000 http://bjays.wordpress.com/?p=857#comment-4287 If you're going to act so arrogant, you'd really better bring a better argument than career numbers. How about the slightly more topical three-year splits? Shannon: .284/.336/.388 Reed: .281/.349/.417 I don't think Shanny is going to hit .200 all year. I do think that his power has declined so much in the last three years that even when he levels out he's no better than Reed hitting .280ish anyway. If you’re going to act so arrogant, you’d really better bring a better argument than career numbers. How about the slightly more topical three-year splits?

Shannon: .284/.336/.388

Reed: .281/.349/.417

I don’t think Shanny is going to hit .200 all year. I do think that his power has declined so much in the last three years that even when he levels out he’s no better than Reed hitting .280ish anyway.

]]> By: Shawn http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/#comment-4286 Shawn Thu, 01 May 2008 03:59:31 +0000 http://bjays.wordpress.com/?p=857#comment-4286 Navin, thanks for your insight. I have one number for all of you: .298 That's Shannon's career BA. Reed's is .282 and his OBP is .344 compared to Shannon's .361. Reed's L/R splits are .307 and .268, Shannon's are even from both sides. So based on that, who do you think is the fluke? Shannon's poor start or Reed's crazy ridiculous start? I thought so. Navin, thanks for your insight.

I have one number for all of you: .298

That’s Shannon’s career BA. Reed’s is .282 and his OBP is .344 compared to Shannon’s .361. Reed’s L/R splits are .307 and .268, Shannon’s are even from both sides.

So based on that, who do you think is the fluke? Shannon’s poor start or Reed’s crazy ridiculous start? I thought so.

]]> By: Navin Vaswani http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/#comment-4282 Navin Vaswani Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:03:19 +0000 http://bjays.wordpress.com/?p=857#comment-4282 fuck up #1: letting johnson walk and keeping stew fuck up #2: releasing the hurt heads are going to roll. and soon. fuck up #1: letting johnson walk and keeping stew
fuck up #2: releasing the hurt

heads are going to roll. and soon.

]]> By: halejon http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/#comment-4276 halejon Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:54:29 +0000 http://bjays.wordpress.com/?p=857#comment-4276 Yep...I would add to that that even Stewart's 2007 wasn't anything to get excited about. And then the whole "you can't compare vasty different arms in LF and defense doesn't really count either" never made much sense to me. Who would they replace him with, though? I don't mind Shanny as a 4th OF who never plays, but would much rather have Reed to be a defensive replacement and polar opposite platoon to Stairs coming off the bench. Yep…I would add to that that even Stewart’s 2007 wasn’t anything to get excited about. And then the whole “you can’t compare vasty different arms in LF and defense doesn’t really count either” never made much sense to me.

Who would they replace him with, though? I don’t mind Shanny as a 4th OF who never plays, but would much rather have Reed to be a defensive replacement and polar opposite platoon to Stairs coming off the bench.

]]> By: hugo http://bjays.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/that-hurts-big/#comment-4275 hugo Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:00:37 +0000 http://bjays.wordpress.com/?p=857#comment-4275 It's probably too early to feel vindicated about Frank, but like you, I argued against the Shannon-for-Reed and I already feel vindicated about that. The Jays argued that Shannon was a more complete offensive player, but there are two fallacies in that, one explicit and one implicit. Explicitly, there was no empirical reason to believe in Stewart's 2007 over Reed's 2006 except that it occurred one year earlier. Implicitly, it ignores the fact that offense is not the entire game and that Reed is arguably a more complete all-around player when you factor in his defense. This is especially important b/c we're talking about a 4th outfielder (and right-handed platoon man for Stairs, who is not himself a gloveman). Even when Reed cools off, I don't think the Jays can afford to be too patient with Stewart (particularly when, unlike with Frank, the upside is so low) and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they cut him soon. I've been wrong before though.... It’s probably too early to feel vindicated about Frank, but like you, I argued against the Shannon-for-Reed and I already feel vindicated about that. The Jays argued that Shannon was a more complete offensive player, but there are two fallacies in that, one explicit and one implicit. Explicitly, there was no empirical reason to believe in Stewart’s 2007 over Reed’s 2006 except that it occurred one year earlier. Implicitly, it ignores the fact that offense is not the entire game and that Reed is arguably a more complete all-around player when you factor in his defense. This is especially important b/c we’re talking about a 4th outfielder (and right-handed platoon man for Stairs, who is not himself a gloveman). Even when Reed cools off, I don’t think the Jays can afford to be too patient with Stewart (particularly when, unlike with Frank, the upside is so low) and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they cut him soon. I’ve been wrong before though….

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